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By Alan Woodhouse

Posted on 29/01/09 at 05:45:38 pm

It's 30 years, almost to the day, since the man who is considered to be the ultimate British punk icon, Sid Vicious, passed away. I'm sure many will rush to pay tribute. But I'm not going to be adding to the deluge of sentimental claptrap, and I'd like to explain why.

Sid Vicious

I was only six when Vicious died on February 2, 1979 from a heroin overdose, but do recall hearing my parents talking about his 'inevitable' demise at the age of 21. I think it's fair to say they weren't fans.

Shortly afterwards, the Sex Pistols' cover of Eddie Cochran's 'C'mon Everybody', sung by Vicious, was a big hit. Because of this, I assumed he'd always been the singer – and the video, in which he rode a motorbike while mouthing the lyrics was the coolest thing I'd ever seen at that early point in my life. The fact he was no longer of this earth only added to the allure.

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When I was at high school in the late Eighties, I remember Vicious coming back into my world, as his life became a regular topic of conversation among teenagers learning their rock history – his impact was discussed in the same way that Kurt Cobain's is now. By that point the bassist had acquired an almost mythical status, a shining example of what could be achieved with a guitar, some nice threads, and a rebellious sneer.

But he had something else in common with Cobain – namely that he was a hopeless junkie. Worse that that, he was also notoriously violent. He launched an unprovoked attack on NME journalist Nick Kent with a bicycle chain and also is reported by many onlookers (including close friends) to have badly hurt a female fan at a Damned gig after he hurled a pint glass in the air and it shattered in the poor girl's face.

And, of course, he very probably killed his girlfriend. Then, while out on remand after being charged with Nancy Spungen's killing, he launched an attack on Patti Smith's brother Todd, landing himself back in jail.

You could perhaps understand people's eagerness to overlook these crimes if Sid was a towering musical genius. After all, critics are more than willing to overlook the personal failings of, say, John Lennon or Keith Moon (or indeed Kurt Cobain). But Vicious possessed no discernible talent, and only replaced the relatively uncontroversial Glen Matlock as bassist in the band because, as Pistols boss Malcolm McLaren said : "If Rotten is the voice of punk, then Vicious is the attitude".

Yeah, but what a pathetic, sad, empty and ultimately tragic attitude. There's a romanticism attached to his life nowadays that just doesn't tally with the grubby, sordid reality. A lot of rubbish is written about punk rock, and the deification of Vicious is right there at the pinnacle.

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Will [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 18:48
yep totally agree, vicious was a thug with no talent. Eulogised for dying young.
max [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 18:49
i don't know why this has even brought into question, Vicious was a talentless cunt. Punk is, and always has been a joke.
[Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 18:51
R.I.P. sid. a legend of punk
Rob [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 19:42
Spot on. Matclock wrote all the classics, Vicious couldn't even play them.
Joe [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 20:22
I completely agree. I've never liked the Sex Pistols anyway, although I can appreciate their impact and importance
Jamie [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 20:59
I practice my Sid Vicious sneer while I pee, because there's a mirror right above the toilet. It's harder than it looks, but well worth the practice if done right.
Hater [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 21:57
Couldn't agree more. A talentless little shit!
joshua [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 22:01
i agree completely. it's a little of both really. he is completely overappreciated though. but he did well at carrying the spirit of what the punk culture was suppose to be to a degree. but i think cobain gets vastly overappreciated as well. but thats just my personal taste and what not.
Whorst [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 22:11
I agree, he was a piece of shit.
Jason [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 22:13
I agree totally. The guy is just some zero that was in the right place at the right time (in regards to being int he band)
wayne [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 22:29
Spot on, can't disagree with a word you say. Joe Strummer was the ultimate punk icon.
purplefebruary [Visitor] //January 29 2009 at 23:40
I agree with you, it's the same with Pete Doherty nowadays, people are canonising these talentless do-nothing idiots and they can't see beyond the supposed myth these were/are great icons.
Cheeseandonion [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 00:20
"Punk rock icon or junkie thug?" He was both. His main contribution to punk and the Sex Pistols was looking the part - by all accounts Steve Jones re-recorded all his bass lines for Never Mind The Bollocks. I think he could claim extreme provocation the time he wrapped his guitar round some Texan redneck cowboy's head on the doomed final US tour, however :)
thebiz [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 02:26
same thing
joe [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 03:55
always thought he was a cunt. and lydon. both cunts. they'd both be doing fucking lurpak ads together if he wasn't dead. so we can thank heroin for that, if nout else. thank god for i'm a celebrity... for giving us all some perspective.
C I T Y R A M the MYSTIC ROCKER [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 06:01
YEAH, SID PASSED BEFORE HE COULD REALIZE HIS POTENTIAL.. HE MADE TERRIBLE LIFE CHOICES ,HOWEVER HE WAS ATOP TALENT EMERGING..... SOMEWOT A MIXTURE OF GOOD & BAD.....syd aka cityram (dj,fm)
JOHNO ECCLES [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 08:36
YES HE WAS AND ALLWAYS WILL BE AN ICON OF THE PUNK ERA. HIS SHORT LIVED CAREER WAS SOMETHING TO SHOUT ABOUT. HIS TALENT WAS HIS ATTITUDE BUT WAS STILL JUST ANOTHER SMACKHEAD BAG RAT.
Mr Mineo [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 09:59
Mr Woodhouse is mostly right, but what a brass neck the editor's got! The NME has recently been almost wholly responsible for the romanticization and worship of another pathetic, sad, empty and laughably talentless "icon", Pete Doherty. And Sid probably didn't kill Nancy.
zacci [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 11:20
I see only envy here, little fucks with little are not able to recognize the greatness, take your Fall out boy disks and get them straight in your ass
Paul [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 11:25
Sid was a pillock always was, always would be. There was no emerging talent. Sid Vicious was the death of punk, style over substance ahaoy
Camden [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 11:25
For all those currently comparing him to Peter Doherty-- piss off. Doherty has real song writing and singing talent. Though he may not be exactly clean of drugs, he's not violent and abusive as Vicious was.
chaz bogerts [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 11:46
Ask the girl he blinded at the 100 Club festival what a legend he was. Agree with Mr Mineo regarding the press given to other worthless causes.
marry [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 11:50
well,i can't agree with you all because you obviously don't have a taste for good music and also "you're just a jelous guy"
reichNrole [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 12:48
Pete who? Must be that wanker from the UK everyone talks about. About as popular as an STD over here across the pond.
Crazziee [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 13:03
He added something, but not much to the Pistols
B.H [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 14:31
By most accounts he was a talentless fuckwit. I can see no reason for him to be idolised.
Mick [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 16:44
He still sells papers doesn't he?...
Ged [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 16:58
Your just slagging him off because he atacked an NME jouranlist. Pathetic. His version of My Way is an amazing song
Nazr [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 17:03
"Punk rock icon or junkie thug?" He was both.
Bert [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 17:04
Sid would have been forgotten by now if he hadnt been a twat
chu [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 17:52
Every punk I knew in those days thought that Sid was just a cartoon punk poseur. Seems that he's been idolised by subsequent generations who imagine he was the essence of punk when he was pretty much the opposite.
Hunter [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 18:03
Peter Doherty despite what has happened now started off with a clear musical vision. He has put out three groundbreaking albums. People who were Libertines fans the first go round know him "across the pond" reichNrole comment speaks to that posters musical ignorance. It's sad drugs have derailed his talent but you can't compare Sid and Peter. Sid was all show and a bully to top, Peter could have been and may still be oneof our eras greatest lyricists.
yep [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 18:14
i think the majority agree
OLLIE [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 21:16
Joe Strummer=Punk Sid Viscious= The End of Punk
Bem Wells [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 21:27
Rubbish! Tash blather and bunt. What you fail to see and Nazr points out is that to Sid, being a punk rock icon and a junkie thug was the same thing. He was not a musician, or a 'bassist. He was Punk. Just watch 'The Filth and the Fury' and you'll understand why Sid died and who's responsible.
Aniat [Visitor] //January 30 2009 at 22:15
I don't like punk, but I think Sid Vicious was the ONLY punk to fulfill their promise to die before get old. The others are as phony (or more)as the ones they criticize.
John Socks [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 02:10
Sex Pistol sucks!! The Clash is the best punk band ever!!
Tarnov [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 07:09
Sid was a talentless fuck and he was freaking amazing. Someone who manages to be both so awesome and bad at what he does like he did gets my respect.
bwood [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 08:23
How all you Nme twats can slag sid off when doherty is a pathetic junkie with even less talent is beyond me. Rip sid
nati [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 12:03
If your asking me, a man accused of murder should never be praised. Besides, he didn't even know how to play his bass. This is really stupid.
Sid would be [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 13:18
...a fat, forgotten old non-talent had he lived... Working in shipping and receiving, I suppose, and struggling to make ends meet. Boring his co-workers with stories of some shitty band he was in back in the day, and nicking bags of crisps when no one's looking.
Mark [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 15:09
He could hardly play his instrument, yet he lived up to the image of punk, to the very extreme, he was a thug and junkie with the protection of having an excuse of being in the Sex Pistols and the 'punk' generation. This article has it spot on, he shouldn't be glamourised but it's still history.
andie [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 17:08
well, he was a thug but he really was the attitude of punk don't you think?
ray [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 17:30
punk was about violent nihilism ((atleast the pistols brand))so i am not upset the a violent nihilist is the face of punk.its just a face though.Rotten was mind and soul but vicious is the icon.its okay.you can mythbust vicious if you like but to me it serves no purpose. =]
Charlie [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 19:21
IDOL? talentless cunt and to add 'punk' is fucking shit and has always been dead
Lucii [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 22:48
omg, he was such a joke and i cant believe people class him as "musically talented" he didnt know what the fuck he was doing! Prick!
ozzy [Visitor] //January 31 2009 at 23:25
Complete wanker
Thomas [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 01:17
He couldn't play to save his life. Oops; that's right.
tony [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 01:27
sid is an icon his attitude made hime an icon not hit talent if you don't get sid, you don't get punk
Aidan [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 03:11
Well done alan woodhouse your controversial column damning the likes of John Lennon has actually led to me posting a comment, good work you got a response. Because that is all this article is an attention seeking load of rubbish.
Vinc [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 04:34
Sid is a cunt, I love Sex Pistols but never counting him.
Wendytime [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 05:20
Finally an article about The Sex Pistols which is spot on. I was only two when Sid died however I remember the hoobaloo in the 80's over Sid and that ridiculous "Sid and Nancy" film. Unfortunately for us lovers of music, McClaren's firing of Matlock forshadowed acts like the Spice Girls and most of what dominates the genres of pop, R&B and Rap: if you just look the part, you can get a record deal. Talent need not apply.
Wendytime [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 05:24
There is absolutely no comparison to Sid and Pete Doherty with the exception that both young men tragically decided to experiment with heroin. Last I checked, Pete writes all of his songs, can sing, and plays guitar.
Monkeyman [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 10:24
The whole idea of sid vicious goes against the ideas of punk rock anyway. They got him in the band because he looked better than matlock? That's the least punk thing ever! Ohh dear... and people call kings of leon sellouts... at least they have some fuckin talent
mmmmmmaaaattthhhewwww [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 16:31
If he was the spirit of punk culture then I'm glad punk is dead. Sex Pistols were shite anyway. The Clash were musically talented, innovative and lyrically clever, all the things the Pistols could never be. Fuck Sid Vicious, RIP Joe Strummer haha.
seafire [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 17:05
As an old boy that remembers the demise of Viscious as a teenager, it was "iconic" only in as much as it exposed the true swindle of punk for what it was - a commercially viable lie. McClaren sacked Matlock "for liking the Beatles", however, the aforementioned Rickenbacker-loving, St Martin's student wrote the songs. It takes brains to create genius (not just heroin). In the case of Kurt however, it was possibly both.
Jarvy Cineblax [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 17:17
You are correct in saying Sid had no discernible musical talent......but what he did have was was a great name and a great look. Sid helped to define "Punk Rock" and the violence was a big part of that. I think he believed he needed to act out. I believe that duchebag Malcolm MacLaren told him how to act, dress, talk, and probably walk.....At one time Sid was just a poor kid who had dreams of being a rock star and when fate came knocking at his door?........ well we all know the rest of the story. I met Sid backstage at gig where my band opened for the Heartbreakers and Plasmatics. Sid had come to visit Johnny Thunders and int his theater, the Heartbreakers dressing room was directly across from ours. Sid and Johnny happened to be sitting on a table in the hall as I came off stage and up the stair to our dressing room. This was a couple of weeks after Sid killed Nancy......and a very short time before he OD'd. What I remember most about meeting him was that when I looked in his eyes.....he struck me as someone who was completely lost.......I think the most important thing about Sid's legacy is that it shows how the "music biz star making machine" was still churning away in 1979.......and they took advantage of another kid with dreams....if you don't beleive me, take a look at the clip from the Sex Pistols movie, The Filth and the Fury....where John Lydon gets choked up when talking about how McLaren used Sid'd junk habit as means to make MORE MONEY$$$$
Jackk [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 18:29
Sid vicious is and always will be a legend of punk. He is punk. He may have been a hopeless musician and a drug addled swine, but he didnt care! he still went out and kicked ass! A true punk. He knew the score
i know more about punk than you [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 18:32
I like how everyone worships people like Sid and Kurt when they were just messing around at the time. Sid was just a face. an attitude . . . shit bass player shit person. twat basically . however i love him. some reason i duno why though . i dislike rotten. he’s a fooking sell out and a hypocritical dick. people need to learn more about punk before they go around wanting to fuck the sex pistols. “ oo I like punk I love the sex pistols “ balh blah blah. I want more damned recognition. First punk single …and there still going. Saw them last year. They haven’t stopped . there on the like 30th album or something like that .. .. yeaaa. . .
David [Visitor] //February 1 2009 at 23:23
He was a pathetic , talentless coward who happened to look cool. And anyone who thinks he summed up punk's attitude knows nothing about punk
J.S.R. [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 02:13
It's the utter lack of talent that makes the story so interesting -- even 30 years later. Ironic to write an article about how uninteresting Sid is. And yet we all read on.
TLM [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 03:00
I agree with GED
Stuart Hatfield [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 12:49
Sid was a cliche, like something your parents would say was a 'punk'. Punk is/was an attitude NOT wearing a leather jacket. He could not play his guitar - this is no better than Andrew Ridgley. He was a junkie and let a lot of people down. Punk died with him, and he does play a part but nothing like Matlock who actually CONTRIBUTED rather than posed.
Joe [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 12:52
Thank god for heroin, fuck Sid Vicious and fuck Johnny Rotten. If he was still alive, Vicious would be a butter advertising sell out tosser too, hopefully Lydon can go the same way as him soon. Sex Pistols = Crap fraudgelent cunts. File them in the same department of musical shite as the Towers of London. RIP Joe Strummer
Steve [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 13:27
I just cant believe people are comparing Pete to Sid. They obviously know nothing about Pete other than the bull shit in the papers. As for Pete being talentless thats just untrue. The libertines might not have been to peoples taste but to say they had no talent is wrong. As for the american who gives a shit whats big in your country
who cares [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 13:33
(early) CRASS = PUNK I don't think any of the above posters even understand punk... I not going to defend Sid, and i am a fan of the clash but none of them were really punk.. check Crass out or interviews with Penny Rimbaud... You'll start to understand!
JOHNNY [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 16:13
Malcolm Mclaren is the only one of The Sex Pistols mob who didn't sell out
Erich [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 17:34
Sid personified the 'No Future', nihilistic attitude of which the pistols were about...he lived it. The fact that he couldn't play didn't matter, wasn't that also what punk was about? Right or wrong, he was punk rock.
does it matter? [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 20:05
Punk is not about violence, you idiots.
Joe [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 21:59
Overrated waste of time, thank god for heroin otherwise we'd have him and 'Rotten' both flogging their souls to sell butter. Vicious was a violent, untalented thug who's only recognised because he died so young. A murderer like him shouldn't be remembered at all, nevermind as the face of punk rock. Idiots who buy t-shirts with his face printed on need educating on punk rock, since Vicious is about as punk as Donny Tourette. Just a massive fraud who should be completely forgotten. Rest in peace the real spirit of punk; Joe Strummer.
Sean bw Parker [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 22:36
The very fact of all the above posts verifies McLaren's talent if no-one else's...amazing that folks are still talking about it (what AM I doing here?) Still, anything from that era pisses from a great height on New American Punk (eighties scene not included)
Jimmy Kinski [Visitor] //February 2 2009 at 23:15
this is stupid, wheres the debate? the guy couldnt play an instrument and offered nothing other than doing exactly what he was told to, in order to market an image. it not only contradicts what people believe punk rock to mean, it is most of the reason why we collectively slate the marketing machines of x factor and co. if you think he was great for his 'attitude' youre an idiot, he was a violent junkie wanker who you wouldnt want around you at any time.
Mater [Visitor] //February 3 2009 at 01:38
I always thought the Ramones owned the Sex Pistols and without the incredible hype surrounding the music of the Sex Pistols(Even though they have great songs), they wouldn't be as famous as they are now. I mean, Sid Vicious had attitude. However, he was a violent guy and what he represented was the false idol of rock. He created a god persona for himself and died with it.
Bobby Blue [Visitor] //February 3 2009 at 19:49
TALENTLESS TWAT. Yet a 20th Century icon. Bizarre
charissa [Visitor] //February 3 2009 at 20:44
how can any of you talk about a dead person in such harsh ways? i mean jeez who cares if he couldnt play an instrument or if he was a twat i mean its over ok? i dont mean to be rude but yesterday was the day he died can you please just show a little respect for someone who actually made a difference in some movement or whatever the hell you want to call it he actually didnt care about what people think and still kicked ass. R.I.P Sid you are still and always will be a punk legend
T.W [Visitor] //February 4 2009 at 00:22
Sid vicious is a true legend of punk, he always will be.
Guy [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 00:46
I can't believe that some people are actually dumb enough to give a shit about this plonker. you must have a pretty low opinion of yourself to look up to someone as pathetic as this.
Nippertiti [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 15:12
We love you Sid,wherever you are!!!
Tom [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 15:13
The girl lost the sight in one eye when he threw the glass, the guy was a cunt of massive proportions. He wasn't a punk, he was a heroin addict who pretended to be a punk. What actually makes people think he was a punk? Spikey hair and some studs?
chipie [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 15:16
you can't really bring that nick kent chain attack into the debate. who wouldn't want to wrap a chain around nick kent? (another junkie at the time).
Johnny Five [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 15:31
I'm no big fan of the Pistols, but I do think the argument for Rockets Redglare being the killer of both Nancy and then later Sid is pretty compelling.
Daniel [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 15:50
my way, something else, c'mon everybody pisses all over in utero etc
Scott [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 15:51
You start off by saying that the santification of sid must be stopped, but give now reason why. This leaves me thinking, what is the point of this?
PAUL [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 16:22
Yeah he was no great musican or songwriter. Not many Punk musicians wanted to be great. He was a kid who got caught uo in it all, and the Pushers latched onto him......... still no less talented than Pete Doherty
PAUL [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 16:22
Yeah he was no great musican or songwriter. Not many Punk musicians wanted to be great. He was a kid who got caught uo in it all, and the Pushers latched onto him......... still no less talented than Pete Doherty
[Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 16:28
Wonder what Sid's butter commercial would look like?
thecharlieface [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 16:38
hmmmm.....has a love of knifes and is a heroin addict....is he a cock i believe so yes....similarities to Pete Dohertey i think??
rexrope [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 16:42
to hunter[visitor] if you really think pete doherty has done anything original or groundbreaking you really need to do your fucking homework!!
been there [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 16:58
Alan, I am afraid you were too young during the punk era, and therefore lack the scope of understanding needed to critically approach this subject with any validity or authority. You see, Sid was indeed a young man of little musical talent, prone to violence, and a drug addict. There are always a lot of people like this about, however, Sid did in part capture the zeitgeist of the punk generation. While he represented just one aspect of punk, his persona was powerful enough to captivate the imagination of enough people that he has become a part of the greater culture, whether you approve or not. One can write about events that took place before one’s time, as an historian, but to come off so opinionated about a time, place, and people that you weren’t actually a part of makes you look like either someone in love with the sound of his own voice, or someone who is simply jealous that he will never achieve the (however dubious it may be) iconic status that Sid has. You will never be the subject of a piece in the NME, only the author. In fact, all of the comments on here are an exercise in pointlessness: who honestly cares what any of you think about Sid Vicious? To what end do you all type your rubbish opinions, good or bad? You’ll not change a thing, so you might want to just get over it. Finally, just another bit of journalistic advice for you Alan: you need to realize that regardless of your opinion, he did not “very likely kill his girlfriend”. You see, he was never convicted of this crime, and as such, even if he did indeed stab Nancy, he is afforded the status of being innocent, by law, period, end of story.
Markiechops [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 17:50
On the most superficial level imagineable, Sid was the apotheosis of punk, and, by extension, the ultimate rock n roll star. What do you think "punk" actually means? In the oldest sense of the word it refers to rotten driftwood, and by the time that the word "punk" was appropriated during the garage band era in 60's America, it was most commonly used to described men who secured their safety in prison by becoming the sexpets of lifers. It's no good calling Sid because he was a degenerate, or a junkie, or a thug, simply because THAT WAS THE IDEA, that was what we were SUPPOSED to see. More than any other figure he became the living embodiment of the anti-ideal of punk, particularly for working class boys like me in the provinces, simply because he was REAL and he didn't need to try, and that's why he's so alluring. He might have been a thug, but then working class life was was undercut with casual thuggism in the 1970's, and it had been for as long as anyone could remember. I get so tired of people lionising The Clash, who, like the Pistols, were about as manufactured as The Monkees had been and countless other groups would go on to be. With the Pistols, however, there was no pretence about their motives; they knew they were nothing more than the next Bay City Rollers. The Clash, on the other hand were a bunch of tedious, worthy short-hair hippies who faked it for so long that they were finally blind-sided by their own mythology. They were nothing more than pretend revolutionaries who left behind a couple of albums worth of dull pubrock with a few twattish reggae inflections and the odd warmed up hippie platitude, and who were starstruck by same tired American rock n roll myth they'd set out to destroy the minute it came a'knocking. Sid, on the other hand, was a star for those of who felt like nothing going nowhere, our Marilyn, and the fact that he was talentless, violent and stupid only added to his beauty. I feel sorry for those who were on the receiving end of his rage, but it's ironic that Nick Kent, who wrote a wonderful essay on him, inadvertently praised where he set out to damn, in a missive that conveys better than anything what makes him so intoxicating. Sorry, Nick, I know he hurt you, but it's true.
Markiechops [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 17:52
On the most superficial level imagineable, Sid was the apotheosis of punk, and, by extension, the ultimate rock n roll star. What do you think "punk" actually means? In the oldest sense of the word it refers to rotten driftwood, and by the time that the word "punk" was appropriated during the garage band era in 60's America, it was most commonly used to described men who secured their safety in prison by becoming the sexpets of lifers. It's no good calling Sid because he was a degenerate, or a junkie, or a thug, simply because THAT WAS THE IDEA, that was what we were SUPPOSED to see. More than any other figure he became the living embodiment of the anti-ideal of punk, particularly for working class boys like me in the provinces, simply because he was REAL and he didn't need to try, and that's why he's so alluring. He might have been a thug, but then working class life was was undercut with casual thuggism in the 1970's, and it had been for as long as anyone could remember. I get so tired of people lionising The Clash, who, like the Pistols, were about as manufactured as The Monkees had been and countless other groups would go on to be. With the Pistols, however, there was no pretence about their motives; they knew they were nothing more than the next Bay City Rollers. The Clash, on the other hand were a bunch of tedious, worthy short-hair hippies who faked it for so long that they were finally blind-sided by their own mythology. They were nothing more than pretend revolutionaries who left behind a couple of albums worth of dull pubrock with a few twattish reggae inflections and the odd warmed up hippie platitude, and who were starstruck by same tired American rock n roll myth they'd set out to destroy the minute it came a'knocking. Sid, on the other hand, was a star for those of who felt like nothing going nowhere, our Marilyn, and the fact that he was talentless, violent and stupid only added to his beauty. I feel sorry for those who were on the receiving end of his rage, but it's ironic that Nick Kent, who wrote a wonderful essay on him, inadvertently praised where he set out to damn, in a missive that conveys better than anything what makes him so intoxicating.
Mark [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 18:20
Sid Vicious was an absolute cunt. Punk icon? Fuck off. I love punk rock both old and new (it's far from dead, by the way) but this man is an embarrassment to the scene. There's so many great punk rock artists out there with such great messages to tell yet people focus on this twat. Where's the justice?
Moff [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 19:25
Sid and all the Sex Pistols will forever be remembered as the greatest band ever.
Ceri-Wales [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 19:58
Sid Vicious-Iconoclast, one of the most fabulous rock stars to grace the stage. I loved him and his attitude.
SB [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 21:42
Either you get it or you don't.
tommysockets [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 21:48
can't believe all the anti-punk comments. If you don't understand the importance of punk you really don't understand the music or culture of the last 40 years.
[Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 22:12
And look at us now..2009 and still blogging, arguing, writing about him. Must have been worth something.....at least he's left his mark.
Craig Davies [Visitor] //February 6 2009 at 22:32
People seem to forget there was a time before Sid joined the Sex Pistols with his attitude. Punk Rock actually had a meaning, and was a reaction by a younger generation, it was only several months later with Sid behaving aggressive and getting in the papers for the wrong reasons is when the meaning of Punk Rock changed, into a joke.
Lee [Visitor] //February 7 2009 at 01:16
the GSR guy up there makes a very good point. I've no interest in bitching bout the guy. I cud care less. He did make a contribution to the attitude, but nothing more. A hopelessly drug dependant shit, and I dont believe any of that shit. I think he knifed Spungen not a bother, in a drug, alcohol fuelled rage. not a doubt in my mind he was well capable. he may be punks most famous poster boy. but a false idol in a sense. what do we remember people for these days? being a great bass player or looking great standing there with the fucking guitar in ur hands? who knows
Paul [Visitor] //February 7 2009 at 09:25
Sure, the guy had no talent & the Pistols were an average band.... The Clash were 100 times better!!...... but as The Exploited said... "Sid Vicious Was Innocent". Oh, John.... pass the butter mate ;)
wiggy [Visitor] //February 7 2009 at 09:45
Sham 69. That were a real punk band!
GlassOnion [Visitor] //February 7 2009 at 12:34
...Lennon's "personal failings", as Alan Woodhouse chooses to put it, were all on his records with every inch of soul attached to it.
The truth [Visitor] //February 7 2009 at 13:47
Monkeyman.... Kings of Leon do not write their own songs... and the 1st two albums were wrote entirely by Ethan Johns and Raul Malo. I know this is off topic... but I just feel KOL fans are far too smug.
Otto [Visitor] //February 7 2009 at 18:14
ZEPELIN RULE!!!!
Nan C [Visitor] //February 7 2009 at 20:03
This is laughable!! Am I reading the Daily Mail? 'True' punks entire ethos is based on DIY - anyone can do it - just because Sid Vicious couldn't play guitar like Tom Verlaine or wasn't as literate as Joe Strummer fact is he was one of the greatest idiots that ever lived - although with this you are giving him a run for his money. Music is entertainment - Sid entertained - The Sex Pistols changed British music. End of.

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