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By Luke Lewis

Posted on 02/11/09 at 05:56:46 pm

'Nevermind' has been so over-praised for so long, it's no longer an album, it's a museum piece – literally. It's the only modern recording to be included in America's Library Of Congress, where it nestles alongside Franklin D Roosevelt's Presidential radio broadcasts, Martin Luther King's 'I Have A Dream' speech, and the Baywatch theme tune. OK, maybe not the last one.

Such hushed reverence is appropriate – not because 'Nevermind' is an epochal work of art, but rather because, 18 years after its release, Nirvana's 26million-selling breakthrough album has become a dusty and calcified thing, deadened by cliché, something to be peered at in a display case, or mulled over in a Mojo magazine think-piece, rather than listened to, or danced to. Be honest: when you hear 'Come As You Are' or 'In Bloom' on your iPod, do your veins still surge with adrenaline? Or do you, like me, reach guiltily for the scroll wheel?

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I'm not going to be insanely contrary and pretend 'Nevermind' isn't crammed with top-drawer tunes – only an earless psychopath, or a Jedward fan, would attempt to argue that – but I do think it's puzzling how quickly those songs have been leeched of their power through over-exposure. It's a weirdly time-bound record – which, I'd argue, exposes an inherent shallowness in the songwriting. More fundamentally, there's a deep phoniness to 'Nevermind' that makes it hard to love.

No sooner had the album hit Number 1 in the US than Kurt Cobain was claiming to be "embarrassed" by its slick production. "It's closer to a Motley Crue record than it is a punk rock record," he complained. Like so many Kurt declarations, this was profoundly disingenuous: Butch Vig recalls him practically cart-wheeling with joy across the studio floor when he heard the final mix of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'.

Still, it's symptomatic of the frontman's needy, Janus-faced desire to be worshipped both by the punk-rock underground and mainstream America. Here was a guy who once had the logo of lo-fi indie label K Records tattooed on his arm to impress his then-girlfriend, Bikini Kill's Tobi Vail – yet was also entranced by the ego-inflating perks of fame ("I'm a rock star," he liked to tell Courtney Love in the first flush of 'Nevermind''s success, "Give me blowjobs").

This inner conflict ultimately contributed to his suicide, or at least shaped the self-lacerating mindset that made it inevitable. But his obsessive terror of being branded a sell-out was based on self-serving, junkie logic. You want a hit record, airplay, money? Fine. Go for it. Just don't try and pretend afterwards that you were strong-armed into it by The Man.

Besides, Kurt was wrong about 'Nevermind''s production. Far from detracting from the album's brilliance, it was Andy Wallace's crystalline mastering sheen that made the songs roar. Proof? Listen to Butch Vig's original mix of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', before Wallace got his hands on it. It sounds dreary; there's no bite, no excitement, no sense of lift-off. Contrast with the final radio edit, thrillingly enhanced by studio effects and digital samples.

Such techniques had the added benefit of deflecting attention from Kurt's lyrics. It's telling that he neglected to include complete lyrics in the album artwork, as if acknowledging that they didn't really mean anything, and hence didn't merit scrutiny. 'Nevermind''s default lyrical mode is a kind of sullen, visceral, pseudo-medical gibberish ("Travel through a tube and end up in your infection" - 'Drain You), occasionally shading into outright fraudulence.

'Something In The Way', for example, alludes to that favourite nugget of Kurt myth-making, the idea that he once lived rough under a bridge - which friends say he never did (this also, incidentally, gives the lie to faux-hobo Seasick Steve's claim that he used to hang out with Kurt under that same bridge – but that's a whole other crock of shit).

None of which detracts, argue the Cobainologists, from the fact that 'Nevermind' was profoundly influential, that it 'changed rock overnight'. Really? Where do you hear its influence now, exactly? Sure, there are plenty of woeful copyists – Bush, Nickelback, Seether, Puddle Of Mudd. Admittedly, the Manics went through a Nirvana phase, though it was 'In Utero' they took their cues from, not 'Nevermind'. Then there was a wave of shonky late-'90s bands – My Vitriol, JJ72 et al. But where are the Nirvana-influenced bands today? Dinosaur Pile-Up? Nine Black Alps? It's hardly an impressive roll-call.

For two decades, rock critics have swallowed the Michael Azerrad line that Nirvana 'swept away' the baby boomer, AOR generation, puncturing the cartoonish excesses of hair metal, just as the Sex Pistols slayed prog. Again: really? Look who's touring right now: Fleetwood Mac, Bruce Springsteen, U2. Today, the Download bill features far more 'old metal' – Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Whitesnake, Journey etc - than it does angsty alt-rock.

Recently, Nirvana fans were appalled to discover Kurt Cobain's image had been exploited in 'Guitar Hero': gamers could unlock his character and make him sing Bon Jovi songs. This, apparently, was 'sacrilege'. What struck me, though, was how natural it seemed. After all, is there really such a titanic gulf between an expensively-produced, radio-friendly rock anthem like 'Smells Like Teen Sprit', and an expensively-produced, radio-friendly rock anthem like 'Livin' On A Prayer'…?

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Dave B [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 18:51
...So, in short, basically just another pointless whinge from the NME's leading joylessly cynical loser, whose primary aim in writing seems to be to try and tell people that they're wrong for liking things. Personally, I just feel sorry for you.
dave [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:00
cunt
Rory [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:12
Had you written this 15 years ago you'd have been skinned alive and forced to eat yourself, but you are right - Nirvana were a good rock band, no more no less. As someone who lived and breathed grunge in those halcyon days, it always puzzled me that Pearl Jam were constantly on the receiving end of this sort of criticism (especially in the NME) at the time, where as Nirvana were always given a free pass. I can't say I've listened to Nevermind all the way through for years, where as I still regularly dig out "Ten" and other grunge era classics like "Siamese Dream" - funny how things works out really.
Rob [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:16
I was originally skeptical about this article, since the Sex Pistolsand Strokes articles pissed me off so much. But you've made some pretty good points here and sort of convinced me. Good article
gazhat [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:24
........gimme In Utero anyday of the week, but this album with Dookie, The Black Album & Use Your Illusion 1 & 2 were part of my guitar practicing speed fuelled friday nights when i was 18, and they were good times compaired to the utter dogshit most 18 year olds have to grow up with now.....
luke [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:32
your an idiot? besdies mainly being shots at kurt cobain rather than the album, the last paragraph was ridiculous and to say the old metal bands are still touring is a joke, they are touring because they arent dead. them bands all have one thing in common, they never made a good album and thats why next week will not feature a hair metal band, it will probably be definitely maybe, lets see if you dare ;p
RedThom [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:33
While I agree that age and over exposure has dulled some of the impact of the album, I think you understate the effect that it has had on the current crop of bands. As recently as last week (and in NME no less) Biffy Clyro were espousing the virtues of Nevermind. Likewise Weezer, Radiohead, MIA have recently talked about how influencial it was to them. Obviously we wouldn't have the Foo Fighters without it, and the influence on the likes of Sonic Youth, Fugazi, etc was also pretty monumental. You also make the mistake of confusing "well produced" with "expensive production". Nevermind cost just over $100k to make, about the same as Sgt Pepper did 25 years before. Butch Vig and Andy Wallace weren't "star producers" at the time. Before Nevermind they had just come from working on The Fluid and Laughing Hyena's albums. Remember them???? I would agree that Nevermind isn't Nirvana's best album, that would be In Utero. However, it's over exposure that has dulled it rather than the lack of quality or urgency. I suggest Mr Lewis puts the headphones on, goes somewhere quiet and REALLY listens to In Bloom or Terratorial Pissings. Really listens. For the first time in years. It's still gold.
Sean [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:34
They made that album for $600 bucks. What did Bon Jovi spend? What song gets your veins all pumped up after hearing it as many times as anyone has heard "smells like..?" Isn't it just a natural progression that happens to all music and pop culture after time?
Phil [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:37
Agree 100%. Best article in NME for ages.
Stuart [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:39
Someone had best tell Biffy Clyro that nobody's influenced by Nirvana these days!
Jesse Boggs [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:44
This article cuts right to it. I will say that, like the beatles arrival on the US music scene Nirvanas entrance into Mainstream is marked by a "before and after" in the industry. This alone makes Nevermind a cut above all the other bullshit releases such as Bon Jovi andThe crue etc.Having Said that, Nevermind sounds Dated the production is both a blessing and a curse. In utero however remains fresh to my ears as Mr Albini recorded nirvana instead of producing them into as michael Azerrad put it " a chrome fist punching through ypur radios speakers" or some shit.
Sandwell [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:47
yeh i gotta agree with you here Luke, its not just nevermind, i cant listen to any nirvana anymore, its been totally done to death. But one thing "nevermind" did do is put abit more spotlight on the underground music scene, which it did sorely need. without "nevermind" bands like at the drive-in or modest mouse would have never been considered by major labels to sign them and this is undeniably a great thing. no "nevermind", then no "relationship of command" or "the moon and antarctica"
Oscar [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:54
Clearly I am an earless psychopath or a Jedward fan (whoever the fuck that is) but I think it is a dull record. Period. However, it is stupid to deny its influence. Yes Nickelback and co are shit, but they also happen to be huge. Perhaps not just Nevermind but the whole grunge scene did change music. Also you fall into the trap of assuming 'influence' and 'sounds like' are the same. Look on Myspace, they are not. You can be influenced by someone without sounding like them. I for one was hugely influenced by Slash but I play folk music more akin to Nick Drake or Iron & Wine. Sure I may not like Nevermind in the slightest but I will not deny its clearly enduring power. That is naive, and actually very stupid.
George-O [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 19:54
Nevermind is and always will be a fantastic album. And comparing Smells Like Teen Spirit to Livin' On A Prayer is like comparing a holiday resort in the Bahamas to Butlins.
Lenny [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 20:58
I cannot believe NME has this crapy writer. I am really sad. It is a shame, not because this is a fail in every major sense of writing, but because this article has placed NME along TMZ and CNN. Shame Luke, Shame on you.
jEBEND [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 21:24
Good article, and great to see someone have the balls to say that as an album to listen to it's not as good as everyone makes out, still no doubting the impact it has had and continues to do on so many. Now if only Q magazine would stop putting Kurt Cobain on the cover every time they run out of ideas...
Andie [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 21:49
Oh my god. What will it be next? The Stone Roses? Revolver?? London Calling??? I don’t see why we can’t just enjoy things for what they are. Over analysis kills music. I do like this blog though, if only to have the satisfaction of being outraged at your selections.
Yo Hans [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 22:04
Good article. It is still a good album but I don't listen to it anymore because of the over exposure. Bleach and In Utero are just so much better.
Over-rated album [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 22:05
but hey, more fine tracks than 95% of all; other albums.
Constant Supply [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 22:15
A band doesnt have to sound exactly like Nirvana to be influenced by them, jesus. Kurt was the first to admit that most of his lyrics were just gibberish but they were fucking interesting gibberish, ambiguious in a good wa. If only there were more lyric writers like him today. In Utero kicks Neverminds ass though.
sense [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 22:32
well done 'dave B' for entirely missig the point of the article. it's not telling you not to like it; it's merely pointing out that it's clear flaws and stating that the album isn't worthy of being discussed in such biblical terms. if you're so doe eyed and smitten with an embarassing rock n' roll cliche then i feel sorry for you. it's true, it's a good album, but nothing more. it's not even the best nirvana album, let alone one of the best albums of all time. if it really was then it would stand the test of time, and it doesn't, because after repeated listens the shallowness of the songwriting becomes all the more apparent. i wish the media would find another more worthy, album to plug to naive emotionally stunted 14 year olds.
Fuzzy Dunlop [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 22:40
Things what happen when you get old: 1. Your music taste changes (unless you are an utter dullard) 2. You have heard albums such as Nevermind hundreds, if not thousands, of times and when combined with 1., above, the potency of such albums diminishes. I was 13 when Nevermind was released. Does it speak the same to me now I am in my early 30's? Of course not, and why should it.
Ari from Aus [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 22:41
Apparently Part 3 of the 'Let's Aggravate our Readers by Slagging Off Their Favourite Landmark Albums With our Pretentious, Overcooked Bullshit' plan is now finished . . . You must have something better to do with your time! What a fucking joke.
SteveDave [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 23:13
You're right about a lot in this article but I still listen to it quite a lot. I bought the 7" in woolworths on my way home from school in 91 and it's never been far from my deck since. Then again I still like Livin' On a Prayer a lot too so what the hell do I know?
Danny Kelly [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 23:26
Although i agree with SOME of this... i'd like to take this chance to voice my opinion that i think its fucking stupid that just because two GREAT band likes Nine Black Alps and Dinosaur Pile Up have a bit of grunge sometimes to their tone, you have to say they are just like Nirvana. Both of those bands love a bunch of other bands more then Nirvana and all you do is shit all over them week after week. Just because the majority of your mindless readers rape the likes of Vampire Weekend doesn't mean you should be such naive idiots towards great music. It's so funny how one moment the NME praises a band to hugh heavens, then the next, they bitch about them. I hope you realise that these bands think nothing of you and their fans don't either. I really hope this is reflected in your magazine sales. Long live Dinosaur Pile Up and Nine Black Alps-it's a shame we don't have more bands like them.
Matt [Visitor] //November 2 2009 at 23:54
Nope, don't agree with it. The other ones on here have been pretty good and insightful, but Nevermind is such a beautiful satire of a pop record with an artistic meaning behind it. Attacking it is only natural, but even you can't do it when you're trying to bring down this sacred cash cow, and just end up defending it. Of course it's not perfect but fuck it, if Kurt tried to tell us anything its that we should look for imperfections and find the beauty in them. His own hypocrisy was both his biggest asset and flaw, and you know what? Nevermind.
ayyyyyyy [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 00:26
no need for the cheap shot at JJ72 - I to Sky is a classic damn you!
Jon [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 01:42
Upon registering a copyright, a piece is simultaneously placed in the Library of Congress.
MrLewis [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 01:57
didn't Uncut run a series of 'sacred cows' features years ago, in which they provided well-thought out critiques of established, acclaimed artists? The difference between the Uncut pieces and this one is that the former actually engaged with their subjects and lightly teased readers. These NME pieces ooze smug self-satisfaction, and think themselves far more iconiclastic than they actually are. Tons of people agree that Nevermind isn't as great as its influence would suggest. The record is a springboard to other, generally better, musical discoveries, the influence of which is undeniable. I have no desire to listen to it again in my life, but wouldn't for a second deny the influence the LP had over me and a great deal of others.
MrLewis [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 02:03
Also, the writer appears hell-bent on fitting everything into categories. If an alt-rock song shares Livin' on a Prayer's production values, which it doesn't, then can't this be subversive? also, Springsteen is AOR? sure, some of his stuff is, but have you heard The Wild the Innocent and the E Street Shuffle? Nebraska? The former is up there with vintage Van Morrison, the latter is dark as hell. Fuck, ever heard early Fleetwood Mac when they were a blues band? What about Rumours, at times a masterclass in song writing? Don't make out like it's a failing of Nirvana's that bands who produced such high quality work continue to, however rarely, produce moments of the same standard.
Michael [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 03:34
Wow once again the nme pick an exceedingly easy target so the thrust of your argument..is that nevermind has been overplayed.. wow...get over it a great record is a great record in utero is better by far but still nevermind is a peerless album all you achieve by slagging it off is looking like the sad attention grabbing cunts you are the nme is truly fucking tragic these days morrissey was right your just a bunch of idiots trying to make a name for yourselves by exploiting the good work others did in the past i can't wait for the day you go out of print for good.
CJ [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 05:44
Only thing this article did was make me want to put on Nevermind.
[Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 05:55
I like Bon Jovi!
Heskey [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 07:29
Fire this writier. Yet another typical pointless article that gives NME its bad reputation amongst ADULTS
Jack [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 08:30
I'm really enjoying these articles - nice one mate. I was hugely glad when I saw the pistols one because I've been banging on about the same points you make in that for years. I was nervous when i saw this title cos I love this album but i can't disagree with anything you've written. It's a great record, but i don't really listen to it anymore yeah, and Cobain was a lying little bitch most of the time - still a genius tho.
Mark [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 09:41
My Vitriol shonky? I call BS!
Percy [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 09:47
Until recently, I had never heard, nor had the particular urge or inclination to hear 'Nevermind', but whilst at a friend's house this fact came to light and so my friends felt compelled to put it on... I'll admit that, after all the hype and hyperbole I've heard surrounding the album over the years, I was woefully disappointed with how boring the album is when played as a whole. There's some good, even great tracks on there, but it gets old extremely quickly.
bob [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 10:39
Nevermind best album ever? It's not even the best Nirvana album, In Utero is a better album in my view.
Om3gad [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 10:49
I hate to say it but he's got a point. I can't remember the last time I listened to Nevermind without second guessing it. Sure, it is undeniably a great album - but it really has lost a lot of potency with time. At the same time, I do think it is a shame that there aren't more bands that have taken inspiration from Nirvana and the 'grunge' era as a whole. For all the jibes and jokes that have been made at the expense of that music scene, in my eyes it produced really the last heroes of rock music. I can't think of any bands that have emerged since then that have acquired legendary status, let alone any bands who deserve it. Luckily music has a tendency to go through cycles...
Oscar [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 10:53
in utero is better by far but still nevermind is a peerless album - HAHAHA. Think, then speak
jack [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 10:55
what a fuckn knob.is this like the 10000000 stupid topic. Nirvana rule btw.
BANG [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 10:57
Luke Lewis, you are very good at pissing people off and for that I salute you. It's fun to read everyone kick off at the end of these articles. However, influence in today's bands? Foo Fighters, Biffy Clyro, Queens and MANY more besides who although they're not copyist, have sited Nirvana as key if not main influences in the past. As for the copyists, isn't it just testament to Nirvana's soul and brilliance that NONE of the bands who may have sounded almost EXACTLY the same have ever come close to being thought of in the same way by fans or critics? Also, your point on production is irrelevant. You clearly aren't aware that ANY final mix of a recorded work will sound pale and insignificant when compared to it's mastered version. Here's why - that's what mastering DOES!!!! This is literally ELEMENTARY knowledge of how recorded music is made and produced! How did you get this job when you know so little!!?!!?
Dave B [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 11:29
@ Sense Uh, you feel sorry for me for not being as ruined by joyless cynicism as yourself and Luke Lewis? Er. Fact is, Nevermind is a great album, and for me and tens of millions of people across the world, it's not just great because of the music, but because of all that it represents and reminds us of. If you and Luke are too old, bitter, miserable and battered by life to dig it, it's fine. I just think that he's a cunt for this little mission to undermine it, and that you're a cunt for supporting him. Although, Luke's always a cunt who always goes out of his way to undermine things. Try reading more of his blog posts, you'll notice the pattern easily enough.
calvin [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 11:36
nevermind destroyng hair metal is missing the point. there hasnt been a rock band that meant it since. they were the real deal and thats why it had impact. beyond simple entertainment, who realistically gives a f**k about the killers/ strokes/ oasis blah blah blah
coma [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 11:38
Om3gad - I agree... and as for drawing influence.. We bands are out there.. just not fashionable enough to get coverage
Luke Lewis [Member] //November 3 2009 at 11:39
@Dave B - three 'cunts' in one comment? Try not to take these things so personally. I'm not insulting you, I'm just trying to kick off a debate about an album.
Marty JackToad [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 11:51
Everyone's so angry (about nuthin') these days. For me personally, Nirvana's music works best in acoustic form, which is why I like Unplugged best.
Virgil Dime [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 11:58
I love the fact that so many of you are slating NME for being two-faced about their purported love for Nirvana. This is one person's opinion you morons, the writers here don't all have the same taste in music, otherwise it wouldn't be a proper magazine would it? Fair criticism of Nevermind I would say. If it wasn't as hyped to the heavens as it has always been, then no one would care for it much.
Virgil Dime [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 12:03
@Dave B, not only are you a foul-mouthed buffoon, but you seem to miss the point if you think that a music magazine should only praise rather than criticise famous albums. P.s, if anyone's a c**t, it seems to be you.
BANG [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 12:32
@Virgil Dime - I love the fact you just referred to the NME as a 'proper magazine'. I assume (and hope) you were being ironic in that post?
Tim C [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 12:37
Luke, I have enjoyed all three entries in this series so far, although I will probably call you a cunt for slagging off something I like soon. Next, can someone finally admit Arctic Monkeys are shit so I can delete them from my iPod?
Tommy [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 12:45
I don't know why everyone gets annoyed at articles written in the Daily Star of the music press. I get the impression that this was the journalist's intention as soon as he put pen to paper.
Luke Lewis [Member] //November 3 2009 at 12:47
Ha. I'm with you on the Monkeys. 'Humbug' is so tuneless, sour and dismal. A genuinely depressing record.
Mark [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 13:07
'Nevermind' isn't as good as 'In Utero' but 'The Holy Bible' is better than 'Everything Must Go', 'The Black Album' is not as good as 'Master of Puppets', many great bands make radio-friendly rock albums, this doesn't detract from there quality. Listen to the solo of' 'Breed' or songs like 'Lounge Act' and you realise how sublime the album is, even if they did better it.
Gaz [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 13:15
haha i hated sacred cows initally because i love is this it. but got to say you've got nevermind spot on. i've always been one that is easily influenced by excessive critical praise (which is what nirvana have been exposed to) but ive never seen the appeal of them, especially on this particular record!
Constant Supply [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 13:26
Ambiguous even!
Dave [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 13:28
Don't think many people agreed with the strokes article but the other two are very good and i agree with both. Don't do a SGT Pepper or Revolver one now its too obvious and pointless.
@Calvin [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 13:30
Don't think you can say Oasis wernt the real deal. Baring the shitfest in the middle.
Dave Grohl [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 13:38
Maybe he would't have cartwheeled as hard if he heard Wallace's polished version? I guess nothing's perfect, but Nevermind is a lot closer than most.
The Edge's Hat [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 13:41
Oh no! The NME doesn't like Nirvana anymore...shit, that means we have to go and burn all our copies. Kind of hypocritcal that the Shite Musical Express slags Kurt for changing his reasoning or opinions...on the 20th anniversary of Nevermind's release, you'll be trying to stick your knob through the hole of an original vinyl pressing. It's still a great album, not as great as In Utero, but will we still be discussing NME concubines such as Jamie T or Gossip in 18 years? I somehow doubt it.
Ed [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 13:41
It is a great album, but I don't know whether Nirvana truly broke down the door into the mainstream as is sometimes portrayed...Sonic Youth and The Cure were laying the groundwork for much 'alternative' success. However, I think it stands up well, and something Nirvana should be proud of. I'd much rather listen to Nevermind than Ten, which is just unlistenable now.
Tim C [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 13:57
Given that NME merged with Melody Maker a decade or so ago, can they bring back Mr Agreeable, but written by Luke?
Ben [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 14:17
This is the single greatest album of all time. It's influence cannot be underestimated because it is a marker in cultural history, this album, and this band, are responsible for most, if not all, of the best bands that came afterwards, Radiohead, Manic Street Preachers, Foo Fighters and Biffy Clyro to name a few. Like Nevermind the bollocks... it still sounds just as exciting and fresh today as it did when it came out, every song has something so special about it, it is the reason that so many people have picked up a guitar, even to this day, with Biffy Clyro acting as proof of Nirvana's, and Nevermind's especially enduring influence. No other album, bar nevermind the bollocks or the queen is dead, or the white album, has had such a great impact on popular culture, and all good music in general. The proof of it's power is in the fact that it still influences bands today much in the same way it did when it first came out, and when I listen to it I feel just as excited, energised and inspired as I did when it came out. It is not a museum piece, it is an accessable and inspirational work of art.
Dobbizle.. [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 14:41
Yet another reason why the NME is fast losing (lost?) ANY respect that decent music fans ever had for it? I've not bought a copy in 5+ years.. the NME changes it's tastes and ideals to coincide with what's 'popular' at that time... which normally means someone in 'NME TOWERS' googles new york/LA/Wales(!) for bands and decides "wowzers! look at all the denim they're rockin'! We just gotta get on that bandwagon!" very fickle indeed!
Wanye Westicles [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 14:47
i didn't realise people still read the NME. they've been writing this sort of thing for years. Who cares what they say? Make up your own mind. Sure listening to Nevermind isn't the same as it was "back in the day" but that's called getting old! Get used to it! It's still a great album. Going to the Reading Festival isn't as good as it was the first time i went, Wheat Crunchies don't taste as good as they used to and i don't enjoy playing with my Star Wars figures anymore.
Luke Lewis [Member] //November 3 2009 at 14:49
Actually, I think Wheat Crunchies still taste pretty delicious.
Halpo [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 15:07
I was thirteen when Nevermind came out. It was my awakening to rock'n'roll. Despite all of the wonderful music I have heard and loved since (Dylan and Neil Young are my top two now) nothing has captured the mesmeric thrill i felt when listening to that album for the first time. It still sounds great, slick-production and all. And no one before or since to my mind has written melodies that are simultaneously ugly and beautiful. Unique. Peerless. Your man who wrote that piece is a prick.
Luke Lewis [Member] //November 3 2009 at 15:08
Halpo - can't you make your point without being offensive? I really enjoyed your comment, right up until the moment you called me a prick.
[Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 15:10
It's rubbish.
Fish [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 15:18
Who cares if bands today are influenced by Nevermind? I think many are inspired by it and that's way more important.
Simon Burnett [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 15:19
Nirvana were grungy junkie americans who needed a wash. and a haircut.
Anthony Hill [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 15:19
If you'd written this anywhere between 1995 and 2000, you'd surely have been crushed by an angry mob. But you're right; Nirvana were nothing more than a great rock band. They didn't define anything, weren't frightfully original or the slightest bit inventive, looking back. The best thing that ever happened to this band was Kurt's suicide. They'd probably just have released a couple of shit follow-ups and be long forgotten by now, had it not been for that untimely event.
Harry Ford [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 15:25
I can't belive that, I'm sorry but I wasn't around for Nirvana but I think nevermind is one of the all time greats. Songs like In bloom, Drain You and Territorial Pissings are still frankly amazing songs that have kept their worth over the years. I think this is a classic
neil [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 15:47
whats next week then? revolver?
Luke Lewis [Member] //November 3 2009 at 15:51
Don't know yet. Any suggestions?
jack [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 16:11
while obviously little mistake or tiny is made into a hyperbole by nme, i dont rate nevermind hugely as it's songs... BUT, the whole package about this album is that is way,way more than the sum of it's parts and has influenced and helped give rise to alternative as music genre hugely... and how the fuck is smells like teen spirit as "radio-friendly" as living on a prayer? music should be judged by it's quality of lyrics and riffs, not by how "radio friendly" it might be!!
First Name Last Name [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 16:16
I remember living in a small town in TX and knowing that Pearl Jam and Nirvana were awful. we had our own "punk, skate" scene. But that's what my generation is remembered for. It's awful. It's like remembering this decade for the Strokes just because Julian killed himself and his baby's mamma was an attention whore heroin addict.
fed up at work [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 16:17
some very valid points luke. but i find it sad that this album has lost its power for you as i find it as potent as ever. although other albums have faded in my estimations, not because they are lesser albums but for a number of outside factors that i will not bother going into as its just a part of life.i have enjoyed the "scared cow" blogs even if i dont agree with most of what being said. will be interesting to see who is next for the chop!
Gaz [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 16:24
please anything but a beatles record. maybe thriller would be a little inappropriate right now. i'd say U2 the joshua tree cos then you can go on about how much of a prick bono is and i'd return to the new musical express from my venturing into the realms of pitchfork.
Luke Lewis [Member] //November 3 2009 at 16:25
I'm sure there's no shortage of writers who would gladly take the 'Bono is a prick' line. But would anyone disagree..?
[Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 16:39
im 16 and only really got into nirvana a bout 6 months ago and i've been obsessed with them since. they changed my view on life and are the most intense, full on band ive listened. will i still feel the same in 18 years?? who knows. probably wouldve been best if i was around at the time. fuck it, im off to listen to them again!
steve [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 16:42
This article is plain DISGUSTING! Even latin pop blonde-bombshell Shakira claims she is influenced by Nirvana let alone rock bands... Also "the band that whatever it does is genius" Radiohead were influenced as witnessed by their early output... Thanks to Nirvana many have discovered artists like The Pixies & The Vaselines and YES it was Nirvana who cancelled out hair metal with their raw punk inspired grunge music... and YES it was Nirvana who put underground music into the mainstream... and YES they have influenced a gazzilion number of bands... AND YES THEIR INFLUENCE LIVES ON AS IT'S AN IDIOT LIKE YOU WHO IS STILL DISCUSSING NEVERMIND AND NOT ANY OTHER ALBUM... that shows how important it is!
Malta [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 16:46
IDIOT! HOW CAN YOU COMPARE LIVING ON A PRAYER WITH SMELLS??? IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT... THE MOST ABSURD THING I'VE EVER READ IN MY LIFE...
jimmyG [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 17:12
debate: is nevermind overrated? answer: no. debate over
[Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 17:12
This is why I stopped buying the NME after 3 years of constantly buying it.. theres only so much shite you can deal with. What is it with all these whining little bitches with nothing else to do.. You know what NME.. I'd rather read a music review in the sun than off this utter rubbish. Get over your selves, your not hip.. or popular anymore, you havn't changed anything in the world of music as much as nirvana did. So please NME, for musics sake.. Just give up.
Luke Lewis [Member] //November 3 2009 at 17:27
"You havn't changed anything in the world of music as much as nirvana did." Bit of an unfair comparison, given that we're not a band.
Tom Jewitt [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 17:31
I don't think Nevermind is just a brilliant record musically, i think it's a massive part of the grunge movement form the late 80's and early 90's. Nirvana wouldn't have made it anywhere near as big as they if they had released In Utero or Insecticide as the follow up album to Bleach. If you ask for my opinion, Nevermind goes down as one of the best albums ever made, along with Sgt peppers, Unknown Pleasures, Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols, The Queen Is Dead, The Stone Roses, Ok Computer etc. Simply, modern day music wouldn't be the same without these albums. Especially without Nevermind.
DOBBIZLE [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 17:42
I saw this FOOOOOOOL Luke lewis buying up a whole shelf of Cheryl cole's album in my local cash 'n' carry!! He was wearing his 'i heart NY' t-shirt, with his ripped jeans and floppy hair.. talking loudly into his 'ands free about the benefits of CD's over vinyl and fightstar over busted.. with him he had a carrier bag full of nothing but fizzy pop and liquorice and he smelt ever so slightly of linseed oil.. On his way out he tripped over his own ego... we all had a giggle... and he rolled out, fizzy pop and cheryl cole's face spraying everywhere...
Luke Lewis [Member] //November 3 2009 at 17:45
Uh-huh.
bogoss [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 18:32
do your veins still surge with adrenaline? oh yes!!!! one of the greatest albums ever. the last true American rock'n'roll classic. yes it has been over-exposed. but who cares? the songs are sill there and will be forever.
Lily [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 18:55
there is a reason this album is one of the best albums of all time...because it actually is. ''I found it hard it was hard to find, oh well whatever, Nevermind''
Jill [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 19:23
The Genius band Radiohead wouldn't have made it in the 90's with their mediocre debut Pablo Honey if they weren't compared to Nirvana. And wasn't it you guys who dubbed them Nirvana-lite in those days? Even Thom admitted to being influenced by them at one point. Alternative Rock wouldn't be a genre without Nirvana and Nevermind. And where are these glorious hair metal bands you speak of?
Jack Woods [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 19:28
I do like this record but that's not to say its not over-rated. It has been hyped up to more than it actually is. Its not as good as other Nirvana records but as i said it is still rather good
Summer Glau [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 20:55
i don't know why everyone gotta get their panties in a bunch over someone criticizing a "legend"-- just because your life sucked in the early 1990s and you identified with the histrionics of Nirvana doesn't mean your opinion is gospel, and all other people's are "joyless" or that they're "cunts" or "cynical losers". probably the same people that defend the sitar/tape-loop bubble-gum of Sgt Pepper's. let's face it, if you blog/and or write about music online, or read about music online or collect alot of music... well, point is, we're all losers. get some perspective. cope.
e.b. [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 20:58
i still listen to my nevermind cassette and i enjoy it! especially "drain you." i definitely like some of nirvana's other records better, but mr. lewis' article seems to be driven less by fact and more by latent anger toward kurt cobain's "sad legend" status. i think mr. lewis is going overboard in his sweeping insults of someone who was a suicidal manic depressive. the fact that kurt got a tattoo of k records' logo to impress tobi vail is proof of his damaging manic behavior. also, seeing as courtney love was pushing and pushing for kurt to be a star (she did this to prior boyfriends, too) leads me to believe that kurt's bj remark was taken completely out of context and probably said jokingly. and, TONS of people have already written about kurt cobain's struggle between wanting to be a main stream rock star and hating being a main stream rock star. this is old news. p.s.-who ever danced to grunge rock?
Laura [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 20:59
Why do people get so worked up on here!
Robin [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 21:07
Hi Luke, interesting article, personally i don't agree but it raises some decent points. Not sure if anyone would agree, but for a future article how about OK Computer? I was too young to hear it properly when it first came out and i have to admit its never really had any impact on me in the way it seems to for others.
Whatever [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 21:18
If you don't like it or are bored of it then don't listen to it, simple as! Just please don't analyze it!!
Mark Folan [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 21:38
Its a BRILLIANT record. in my opinion.. but its still just 3/4 guys playin some music. nothing mad liekkk! nirvana..just a band
Oskar M [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 21:52
Considering Kurt was a manic depressive it's hardly surprising he went off the production on Nevermind is it?!
alex [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 22:10
whats the next target? appetite for destruction?
Oskar M [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 22:10
Why I no longer bother buying the NME. Crap articles & crapper journos.
tourist [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 23:07
i can't say that i agree with Luke, although i do feel rather sorry for him for all the vitriol he has received here. you might say that he must have seen it coming, attacking such a rightly beloved piece of work, but then i wonder, since freedom is inherent in Nirvana's name as much as in their music, you could forgive him for having hoped his opinion was met with open ears. alas not, it would seem. its far more offensive to me when the legacy of great art is blighted by such blind jingoism from its followers than when simply a differing in the standard opinion is offered. debate is healthy after all. just don't dare print any disparaging remarks about Is This It. oh, wait... fucken hate you NME, bunch of deaf pricks.
Ferrigno [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 23:54
Ive always thought that nevermind and particularly Cobain to be waaaaay too overrated
Brad [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 10:50
I listened to it on Saturday, before I read this article. It is simply a great record!
Martine [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 10:51
Nevermind did change a whole lot in music and to music fans. In Utero is a better album. Nevermind is a great album with songs still appealing and meaning as much as they did. Smells like teen spirit has been overplayed and used by wannabe cool kids in this century as a way of saying they're cool. That last thing bothers me most of everything. And that's the facts. Nothing more and nothing less.
Ben G [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 13:36
Great article, Luke. I think Nevermind is an essential album when you're first getting into music, but after the first three listens it gets boring, and the constant radio and videoplay of Smells Like Teen Spirit and Come As You Are and EVERY NIRVANA SONG EVER turned me off them so quickly I switched to AC/DC and never looked back. THIS is the main reason so many people disregard them now, because they're so sick of them. Having been to the last three Reading Festivals, the amount of Nirvana references (3 of their songs covered in 08 that I heard) made me want to throw up - I thought I'd got away with it this year until about 2.30 on the Sunday afternoon when Lethal Bizzle's DJ cranked up - yes, you guessed it, SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT. It's because of the media's relentless quest to bring Kurt up to the martyr level of John Lennon that music lovers are turned off Nirvana.
jono [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 15:32
I was 14 when nevermind was released and It turned my whole world upside down !! The power of that record literally changed me and made me what i am today, which is a promising singer / songwriter literally mad about rock n roll music. I'd grown up around all the classic rock bands such as ac/dc , deep purple, thin lizzy, quo, et al... but when Nevermind came out I was transformed into a HUGE Nirvana Fan, and this ain't changed to this day. When Kurt shot himself, I stopped listening to Nirvana for many many years casue i couldnt handle the fact he was gone. Maybe in doing so i saved myself from all this bollocks about overexposure ruining what once was. I dunno, why take things and twist them into stupid opinions, which in the end is al they are, an opinion...YAWN, RIP Kurt, we miss you x
Mario [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 15:53
great article, great album nothing more or less
tblaze [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 16:03
smoke up and listen to it...you'll hear it again
Bluesfarmer [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 16:37
Sonic Youth, REM,Meat Puppets and a lot of the alternative bands that came along earlier, were forerunners to the big Nirvana moovement. The thing is, MTV bought over rock n roll(they were brilliant,aimlessly wealthy businesman who pissed over the idea of freedom and expression in rock n roll), deleted the "roll" off of it and sold kids awful 80s "rock music". There were alternative bands that challenged the mainstream, but Nirvana came along and changed everything. Nevermind caught the mainstream by its balls, and for a second it looked like John lennon's screams in Plastic Ono Band were finally reaching out and haunting the masses.. Like Punk rock was finally gonna change the world(not "grunge"..that was just MTV and music journalists trying to make money off the re-emergence of punk). Unfortunately, I think Kurt Cobain realised the paradox of everything he had set out to achieve (as his suicide note suggests) and blew out the candle.
[Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 16:49
"Bit of an unfair comparison, given that we're not a band" Bit of an unfair response, considering you've just laughed off the importance of a band that's changed all our lives. And Smells like teen spirit Vs. Livin on a prayer isn't an unfair comparison?
K [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 16:51
Anyone younger than me is not qualified to give me their musical opinion, regardless who they work for! I'm 40.
BluesFarmer [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 16:51
"Bit of an unfair comparison, given that we're not a band." Bit of an unfair response, considering you've jut laughed off the importance of a band that's changed all our lives. And smells like teen spirit Vs. Livin on a prayer is a fair comparison eh?
Sumner [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 17:58
Thank god that we still have Joy Division and New Order to listen to.
neil [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 18:36
do the arctic monkeys. and watch me fly
Coj [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 19:35
I agree with you on some points, not on others. I don't really get the point of all these iconoclastic soft news pieces written by the NME staff as of late, however. It's not really revolutionary or thought-provoking to question the canonical status of a record. And when yours is a publication that helped instate these records as classics in the first place it just comes across as a bit strange. Ah well, nevermind.
James2222159 [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 19:47
utter shit how can you compare bon jovi to nirvana. What album are you gonna slate next week the stone roses s debut.Nevermind is absolute classic you cant diss it its faultless and timeless.
Oscar [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 19:50
aw, Bluesfarmer you have a very romantic view of Kurt's suicide. The fact of the matter is, he was always a bit of a nut job, documented (I believe, correct me if I am wrong) to have considered the idea suicide from the age of around twelve. No one kills themselves because they see a paradox in their music and the way it is abused/promoted/blah de blah. Maybe he told himself that. The fact is he was a tragically confused and depressed human being, and he was not making a statement with his suicide. That said you wrote a lot of BS in an eloquent and compelling manner.
Zerostar [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 20:53
go back and listen to Bleach(Now remastered). thats their best record. crank that shit up and you'll see why Nirvana are the greatest band ever!
[Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 20:59
Nirvana as a band are generally over hyped. Never got the whole teen angst nirvana stage myself. the best thing to come out of nirvanas demise was the foos... end of!
giacomo [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 21:25
luke, you pissed over history. I think that nevermind is just too perfect to be real. It's better than any "best of" of any band. I personally like "in utero" more but nevermind is nevermind,you know? so nevermind if you've written a lot of shit.
NobodysDaughter [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 21:30
well if you don't like nirvana anymore..don't even mention it..kurt is dead and you have no right to say such things about music kurt loved and made...if u don't like it..listen to foo fighters or smth.-.-'''' nirvana lives 4ever and people who don't respect her shouldn't be even mention it's name and not to ention listen to it!
Black France Farmer [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 21:48
Utter Bollox!! NME is the music equivalent of 'Now' Magazine, total shite.. What next? "Pete Doherty is the greatest musician ever?" - Probably already done that!!
pollywantsacracker [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 22:32
The Nirvana backlash was over 10 years ago dude
Martin [Visitor] //November 4 2009 at 23:37
Add Ash to the list of bands hugely influenced and inspired by Nirvana.
Marko [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 00:28
There are many rock albums in the Library of Congress. Even Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation is there. Not only is your attitude terribly wrong, disrespectful, rude and irritating - the opening piece of information is very wrong. Does anyone edit the NME these days?
[Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 01:58
In Utero remains Nirvana's best album for me - soundwise especially. Nevermind is probably "overated "- but at same time there's not really a weak song on it. Incredibly simple stuff granted but well recorded (if over compressed) songs whilst very simple are all very melodic - lyrics are ambigious for most part as Cobain himself said most were gibberish and at times were random words that he changed at last minute whilst recording. You somehow see that as a failing - i don't. It was a massive selling album but of course Cobains suicide has made it more infamous than probably would of be . Muddies hindsight opinions and views on the record and its inevitable context of what it was and isn't . It does sound digitally harsh and compression heavy but its still a relatively strong album imo And regardless of what it influenced - it did open the gates for likes of Breeders and (even) Sonic Youth to wider audiences and commercial success ...and ..ok a lot of crap as well. Coabin also did recognise and / or namedrop a lot of their influences as well whether big or small - Pixies ,Devo , Flipper , Scratch Acid , The Wipers , etc- unlike a few certain other bands Youre wrong in suggesting it was somehow an expensive record to make tho- It wasn't - certainly not in pop terms - Butch Vig was not a mega producer by a long shot at the time either he'd done only low relatively low key production at that time . Sure Cobain was maybe full of contradictions , hyperbole - really don't think that is uncommon in music is it? Youd be suprised of their influence outside of rock or indie junk .... But then again I forget this is NME …
Greatest Orangutan Ever [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 02:55
Well, "Nevermind" was born before iPod. Best played in cassette player. Cheers...
NotSoFast [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 04:07
British punk didn't age so well either, maybe because it speaks to a younger audience. I don't listen to Nevermind as much now because I have progessed, not because it has lost it's spark. As far as it's influence...Nirvana is a coming of age band for many kids growing up, unfortunately the writer of this article has already grown up, hence the dismissal. xoxo USA
dan [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 04:15
your life must be so sad. cheer up buddy!
Jon Martin [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 06:29
Nice job on the article, very well written! Im sure there are more influence-ees to cite though....right?
Matt [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 07:15
overreaching, but that's a NME journalists job, right?
Billy Idol [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 09:42
This guys a dumbass and shouldn't be allowed to write his name let alone an article for a real magazine.
Boh [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 11:51
he's right with Nevermind. so what. it's still a good album but i prefered listening to Bleach or In Utero anyways.
BANG [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 12:23
If Mr Lewis was so interested in sparking a debate why hasn't he come back to some of the GOOD points people have raised here? The comments Mr Lewis has responded to are the ones where he's been wrongly and rudely insulted. You know what? Don't publish those comments in the first place. No one wants to read it. But what a lot of us do want is for you to come back and discuss some of the great points on production, the Library of Congress, Kurt's depression that people have raised in response to some of your points in the article. Where is Mr Lewis? Probably writing the next Sacred Cow...Don't, whatever you do, write a Sgt Pepper one. It's clear from your points on production above you know very little on how music is recorded and it will be a veritable shit storm if you start insulting anything to do with production on that record....
Luke Lewis [Member] //November 5 2009 at 14:24
Hi BANG, I've been a bit busy, haven't had a chance to respond to comments in a while. Library Of Congess - you're right, I made a mistake, there are a few other modern albums in there eg Public Enemy. Hopefully it doesn't nullify by basic point, which is that Nevermind is a critical 'untouchable', consistently included in best Album Ever lists, and generally regarded to be important and influential. As for production, I said the album was expensively produced, and I stand by that. Initial recording budget was $65,000 - hardly a blockbuster amount, but still 100 times what they Nirvana spent recording 'Bleach'.
Sean [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 14:32
If they did a list of the 100 most overrated albums of all time it would luck pretty much the same as the 100 greatest. It's a pointless debate really This album changed my life so I know what my opinion is. I respect everyones opinion apart from the guys that say the album is shite. idiots
Is ths real? [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 15:24
If you compare Bon Jovi to Nirvana and if you say that "Nevermind" was an expensive album,what abot Bon Jovi production albums?By the wa,"Nevemnd" is one of the best albums EVER!
BluesFarmer [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 15:43
Dave, I'm guessing you've read Kurt Cobain's suicide note..which, of course, has been constantly placed under the "ever-so-productive" public microscope, with myths and legends arriving from everywhere about it being nothing more than a letter from Cobain to his fans about his leaving the music business. Well, I'm not saying that's complete bs either. I have no fucking idea, really. But, the truth is, he was a man who immersed himself in what he was doing. That doesn't need a document of evidence to stand by it, we've got his songs. I wasn't trying to imply Kurt Cobain committed suicide because of his work and music career, but that he blew his brains out(or was killed by the lead singer of hole..ahem..) before he could completely change the music industry. And Nirvana came fucking close. That's the way I see it. I was 12 when I saved up money for Nevermind. I can have a romanticised view of Niravana or Kurt's life, cuz I grew up listening his music and he made me wanna pick up the guitar and say something. I'm pretending to be some historian who interviewed his entire family and close friends. You, on the other hand, sound like you knew Kurt Cobain and tried to slap him out of his depression, to little success. If you can't fucking stand his music, that's fine. But why do you wanna judge him and put him on some moral shelf, neatly labelled. "He was a nutjob". Yeah, and I suppose Bowie was a "level-headed" square who wrote Space Oddity" to church on sunday? All artists are nutjobs in some way or the other.. many of em-Bowie, Townshend, Lennon(think yer blues)..have openly admitted to contemplating suicide at some point in their lives. So why does Kurt have to be judged as a person for what you or me might consider a thoughtless act? Nothing is "well-documented" enough to become the truth. I think his records come way closer.
BluesFarmer [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 15:50
Sorry I meant *I'm not pretending to be some historian.. haha..
DOBIZZLE [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 15:51
Idea for next week Mr Lewis; Hasn't the 'naughties' been pretty shite on the 'new' music front in general...?!?
Luke Lewis [Member] //November 5 2009 at 16:30
Well, it's funny you should say that...
Tom Willshaw [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 16:49
This raises some very valid arguments. If you believed most of what you read, you'd think 'Nevermind' is the best album ever made, which it's not. Nice one Luke.
BluesFarmer [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 16:56
Oscar, i hope you've kept eyes open. Dave, I apologise.
Alan Woodhouse [Member] //November 5 2009 at 16:58
The thing that gets me most about 'Nevermind' is the implication that it was in some way a 'new form' of music. It wasn't. It was simply a really good pop-rock record. I like it, but never understood why people went so nuts for it, when Pixies, a far better and more original band, sold jack shit and had to wait until recently to get their dues. Probably because Kurt was pretty and Black Francis isn't/wasn't.
Ally [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 17:12
I feel that in comparison to both records of that time (Superunknown and Siamese Dream to name two) and some recent records (Songs for the Deaf and Leviathan to name another two) 'Nevermind' struggles to compete on a purely musical (and lyrical) level. However, 'Nevermind', perhaps as you imply, catpures that period of music and the 'hard rock' (horrible term it may be) aesthetic better than any other album. No one can scream like Kurt did on 'SLTS' and reach no.1 now. You say in the review that "It's a weirdly time-bound record – which, I'd argue, exposes an inherent shallowness in the songwriting." But the fact that people still talk about, are still inspired by it and are still willing to fight for it - as this forum proves - shows just what an important album it is. A 'museuem piece' it may be, but this simply means it will be listened to and remembered as a significant piece of art for a long time.
Nate [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 18:00
Take it off your IPOD and listen to your stereo every once in a while where it can be heard in FULL FIDELITY. People forget what that sounds like
Mark [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 19:32
This is an ignorant review, being influenced by a band doesnt mean you must sound like them. Instead you adopt different ways of writing songs or melodies.
Marko [Visitor] //November 5 2009 at 20:57
You say: "Library Of Congess - you're right, I made a mistake, there are a few other modern albums in there eg Public Enemy. Hopefully it doesn't nullify by basic point, which is that Nevermind is a critical 'untouchable'" Of course it's touchable. Everything is touchable by everyone these days; I suspect that this is exactly what the problem is here. Also, I can't see why in the world the shortage of Nevermind's influence - in other words, the fact that these days pretty hardly anybody manages to offer at least some of the elements that made it great - should be Nirvana's problem.
bananapants [Visitor] //November 6 2009 at 00:03
ill take another 1991 album , Green Mind, over Nevermind, for as long as i live
Peter [Visitor] //November 6 2009 at 00:39
Museum piece it may be, but so are many many landmark albums recorded in the past. It is no argument to not like the music within. My fave Nirvana album would be Bleach, mainly because it's much more raw. But i love Nevermind too, still do since the day it came out. I agree on the over-exposure thing, but that's a lot to do with how the media handles the album and the songs. Screw the media and listen for yourselves. Be aware of what you listen to. The album simply is full of great tunes, the problem probably being they appeal to too many people - and so overexposure is easy. Sure the lyrics are crappy at times. To me personally that’s no problem, I tend to go for the emotions an album emanates, whatever the lyrics (well, some subjects excepted). Besides: the lyrics on Nevermind have never been what make this album so good and indeed important. Where this article misses the point imo is on the subject of being infuential. Yes, early nineties we had The Pixies, and also Dinosaur Jr. and a number of doomy semi-metalbands like St. Vitus and Melvins etc. But the mainstream was dominated by popbands straight from the electro-eighties, shoegazers and countless indie-bands. No heavy riff, no screeching rockgeetar in sight. U2 and Simple Minds were all over the airwaves, need I go on? What was missing at the time was pure Rawk. And then suddenly we had Grunge. Heavy bands with great tunes and a delivery that harked back to the early hardrockin’ Zeppelin/Sabbath seventies, all beards and long hair and drugs and stuff. Wowie! Grunge brought something to the table that was missing, and it was embraced by many. No Nirvana were never the ultimate grungeband (I at least have never considered them that), but in Cobain they had a face and an attitude the whole movement could be hung up upon. So Nirvana ‘became’ grunge. Grunge was rock, finally it was ok again to play air-guitar in your room AND during concerts, and it hinted at and paved the way for the return of much more Rock. Sure the scene fizzled away, but since those days the ‘heavy’ has been way more a part of the mainstream musicscene than before - since the early seventies in fact. After grunge came more seventies-inspired hardrock (anyone ever heard of a band called Kyuss, well, from them came Queens of the Stone Age, now bringing you Them Crooked Vultures), resulting in something called stonerrock. And from there, ultimately, come bands like Wolfmother. The end-result being that good old-fashioned (retro)hardrock is once again enjoyed by many people. So yeah, I’d say the influence of a band (more specifically the attitude of a band) like Nirvana and their nineties-contemporaries is huge in todays music, in the mainstream, even more so underground (as usual). I love m for it. But I gotta be honest, The Pixies are and forever wil be the better band. Even Kurt thought so.
Kabuki Man [Visitor] //November 6 2009 at 16:05
@ Alan Woodhouse. Probably right - girls did like Cobain .But that aside Cobain in fairness namedropped the Pixies all the time , gave them credit and probably actually got a lot ppl into the Pixies who hadn't heard of them before hand. The Breeders toured with Nirvana etc. Nirvana actually did always big up a lot of old lessser known acts and contemprary bands (obviously not Pearl Jam tho) - and a lot of bands that people mightn't heard of before. They had their own underground roots unlike a good few big bands that came out later on in the 90s.
matt cripps [Visitor] //November 6 2009 at 18:18
nevermind was and still is a tour de force> anyone whos ever picked up a guitar and tried to pen a tune knows this. Melodies hooks and dynamics "musical nirvana" i think lewis should keep his thoughts to himself.
Jim Markunas [Visitor] //November 6 2009 at 22:25
I kind of agree. 'Nevermind' isn't as exciting as it was back in the day, but everyone grows out of Nirvana. When you're 16, they're amazing, when you're 25, the glamor (or glamour) wears off. http://www.cwgmagazine.com
Stuart [Visitor] //November 7 2009 at 13:13
If you're younger than 30 then you probably don't remember what the music scene was like before Nirvana. Unless you liked Stone Roses rip offs, hair metal like Poison and Warrant or indie crap like Ned's Atomic Dustbin and The Wonderstuff, there was nothing to grab on to. I was 14 and listening exclusively to Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer til Nirvana came along and opened up a whole new world of music for me. If it weren't for Kurt (and Pearl Jam) I would never have heard of Afghan Whigs, Dinosaur Jr, Soundgarden, Scarce, Pixies and would never have started reading the nme and melody maker and probably wouldn't own half my record collection. So say what you like about Nevermind, but for me and countless others it'll always be a landmark record
Chicken Madras [Visitor] //November 7 2009 at 21:17
Ben [Visitor] //November 3 2009 at 14:17, you are a clueless twat. This average album did not influence those bands at all.
Audun, Norway. [Visitor] //November 7 2009 at 22:35
In Utero is a masterpiece of wickedness and pain and was Nirvanas best album. Kurt Cobain thought so himself and any real hardcore fan of the band will say so too. Nevermind was good, but as much as I love Nirvana, lets be honest, it was a pop-rock record hitting cross-over audiences who would later go and buy slick commercial designermusic by Nickelback and Creed.
misterfake [Visitor] //November 8 2009 at 20:27
Anyone saying that the album is overplayed is obviously just going off of how many times they have probably heard smells like teen spirit on the radio or other mediums. I'll admit that i don't listen to teen spirit when i listen to nevermind, but honestly I dont think i ever really did. Still though every fucking song on there is a brilliant example of what modern rock could be and its something that I strive for as a songwriter myself. Before you even make a comment on this article go sit down w/ some headphones crank it up and actually listen to it again, because your all probably just going off the fact that you used to listen to the album alot and since then you've turned it into a cliche by your own doing. Nevermind is what it is, give it a listen w/out anyone elses comments in mind and you'll hear every bit of kurts angst the way you did the first time you heard it.
Iain1917 [Visitor] //November 8 2009 at 21:46
Right, Luke. Next issue either Klaxons, overrated and a bit pants, or how about Crystal Castles, really rather dull and she could really do with a wash
juan aguantealmafuerteytumama [Visitor] //November 9 2009 at 06:06
plainly simple and in spanish QUE PELOTUDO QUE SOS CHABON EH!
A ghost [Visitor] //November 13 2009 at 09:48
what a shallow article it amounts to nothing a waste of time and space you-are- a-wanker
Patrick [Visitor] //November 14 2009 at 16:30
Nirvana owed a huge debt to heavy metal although Cobain begged to differ, which means he was less than honest about it.Rap is as guilty of the same crimes as what Cobain referred to as hair metal.Girls, fame,money, all the same things a band like Motley Crue depicted. And what of it?Nirvana were more honest because they ignored all of that?Nah, the differences are of the most shallow nature. The reason these bands are still here today is because at that time everybody went with what Cobain said for the sake of being cool, in a laughably sort of "uncool way". Sheer hypocrisy! All those bands were always popular and always will be, we have just come full circle. There was far too much crap talk around Nirvana sweeping away this and that and none of it was honest in the first place. By the way, youd be hard pressed to find a bigger Nirvana fan than me, but Im not blinded by the bullshit, because I lived through it, and was into music in a big way before it, and after it, and I can tell you that a whole lot of people bought into a big bag of bullshit, in a big way, and thought that there had been some sort of revelation in the meantime! Nah, I dont think so!
Streets Of Rage Boss Music [Visitor] //November 16 2009 at 01:48
In Utero soundwise is a billion times better than Nevermind. Ppl still use In Utero to soundtest sound systems. I agree Nevermind is overated and Nirvanas stuff was incredibly simple but come on - Smells Like Teen Spirit aside being played to death by ppl doesnt ignore the fact that the album is pretty strong melodically and dont really have a duff track. You mention lyrics - they said themselves lot were made up / changed whilst recording - The verse lyrics to Lithium aint bad by any stretch- ok crap chorus. Thing is whole Cobains death has made the album something in popular entertainment which it probably wasn't. It was the most succesful album but compared to In Utero it does seem pretty lame. I think your criticisms of Cobain himself do seem a bit cruel tho. Obviously he was a bit ill headwise I'm sure the bloke could be bit of a cock but as others mentioned he knew his stuff and did always mention bands that perhaps others didnt know.Not sure where you coming from with Bon Jovi comparison. Altho that Guitar Hero thing is fucking funny. The sainthood of Cobain is stupid but at same time i dont think that should encourage ridicule either. Lets face it - you at NME are secretly wetting yourselves for a MK. 2 version.

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